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WiFi Cantennas now illegal"
Posted Jul 25th 2005 10:00AM by [16]Ryan Block
Filed under: [17]Wireless
[18]Cantenna
Were a little wary of Inside Bay Areas decidedly alarmist article
titled Hackers prey on unguarded wireless links," which goes the
distance in furthering the meme propagating that hijacked WiFi = super
duper bad and teh ev1l hax0rs will come to get j00. But whats more
egregious are the claims made by Lt. Bob Lozito of the Sacramento
County Sheriffs Departments Hi-Tech Crimes Task Force, who says that
cantennas (WiFi antennas made of Pringles cans or like shapes) are
unsophisticated but reliable, and its illegal to possess them."
This, apparently, because a student caught trying to hack his grades
at school posessed a cantenna. Uh, were not entirely sure whether or
not Mr. Lozitos quoting the law or making it up as he goes (well
tell you what we think hes doing), but seriously, is the government
going to start making pickup trucks illegal because they can be used
to loot houses whose doors are left unlocked?
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[30]gunifer @ [31]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
yeh, and while theyre at it, ban firearms, cause they can be used to
kill people...
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[36]Get Real @ [37]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
They should ban laptops while they are at it.
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[42]Asher @ [43]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Not pick up trucks... Just the doors of homes will become illegal.
Since someone obviously has the potential to open them, thusly
entering your private domicile. All doors will have to be removed
since the end user is unable to lock them (or learn how) and will be
replaced by nothing. Since nothing, is of course, far better than
something (if the something is not fully understood and its potential
utilized). The nothing will then be regulated by heaps of govt
paperwork and will then become something, thus making it once again,
illegal.
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[48]Ward Mundy @ [49]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
The really troubling aspect of the Wi-Fi police activity is that some
of the new Wi-Fi devices such as the Wi-Fi phone recently reviewed at
whether you want them to or not.
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[54]Lectiod @ [55]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Youre all wrong on the metaphor. Your hands would be the device
thats illegal because its a device that is used to open the door to
gain entrance to the house.
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[60]Keith Wakeham @ [61]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
People are now illegal. If you are, or ever have been a person (or
homosapien) then your now banned because people can do things.
Monkeys, chimps, and gorillaz are also illegal, because they might
learn to pirate stuff.
Lets go a step further, atoms are now illegal, their is potential that
they could somehow form something that could potentially do something
illegal.
This is insane, just because something could be used for something
illegal doesnt mean that it doesnt have a legal purpose. There are
many legal uses for things like cantanneas". How about like what they
do, increase the access range of a wireless network.
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[66]sunz @ [67]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
it could become illegal if a safe legal use for it can be found. (i do
not know much about these cantennas) but typically that is how the law
determines if something can be possed. Good Legal use. That sheriff
probably made it up though since i doubt there has been any law
proposed and passed on this item or similar devices .. although can
anyone tell me if stealing access to open wifi signals is illegal ?
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[72]Keith Wakeham @ [73]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
People are now illegal. If you are, or ever have been a person (or
homosapien) then your now banned because people can do things.
Monkeys, chimps, and gorillaz are also illegal, because they might
learn to pirate stuff.
Lets go a step further, atoms are now illegal, their is potential that
they could somehow form something that could potentially do something
illegal.
This is insane, just because something could be used for something
illegal doesnt mean that it doesnt have a legal purpose. There are
many legal uses for things like cantanneas". How about like what they
do, increase the access range of a wireless network.
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[78]Asher @ [79]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
All fun aside... our govt has set a precedent in the last ten years
or so of acting as though its first function is to regulate the
society that empowers it. The general public does not give enough of a
damn to stop this from happening. The population that has the power to
elect the govt has allowed the govt to strip that power from its
people. Unless ppl say stop, this trend will only become more invasive
as technology spreads and develops.
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[84]Ben @ [85]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Cantennas cannot be declared illegal since they are antennas. If they
ban them then theyll have to take all of the directional antennas of
the shelves, which will be impossible.
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[90]Lectiod @ [91]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
#8, when this happens I am moving to the Neitherlands, or Canada
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[96]Ian Jardine @ [97]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
I thought there was a basic right for any citizen to receive all radio
signals ota. This is the reason why there is no Federal Law against
radar detectors. Thus antennaes themselves are legal, are they not?
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[102]Unomi @ [103]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
#10 drop the illusion about the Netherlands being some kind of harbor
for the free....
Here it becomes also more and more some totalitarian state led by
people who want to control all and everybody and take their liberty.
- Unomi -
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[108]Me @ [109]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Life will soon become illegal.... bah...
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[114]Richard @ [115]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
This officer is clearly talking out of his ass... Im sure the FCC
would have something to say about the illegality of a 2.4GHz antenna.
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[120]Wayne R. @ [121]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Im scared! Oh God, Im so scared! Make me safe! Please
God/Allah/Jehovah/whatev, save me (just me, and everyone just like me)
from everything I havent bothered to understand! Shield me from the
unknown!
Fuckin nitwits.
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[126]Erika @ [127]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Libertarianism, please!
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[132]Rombus @ [133]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
If Cantennas are made illegal, then only the outlaws will have
cantennas, (AKA most of us)
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[138]dutch once removed @ [139]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
unomi
to get completely off-topic, the simple fact is that the netherlands
are MUCH more open with more personal freedoms than in the US.
-drug use is at least tolerated, sometimes it is prosecuted depending
on which drug is involved and the amounts in question. soft drugs are
generally given no attention unless its a case of flaunting it, high
volume sales and repeated offenders. at least the dutch understand
that drug use is a fact of life and cant just be fought with a war".
look at the US prison population(what crime landed them there and for
how long) and tell me thats an effective use considering how crimes
like rape/murder/child molestation...crimes that essentially prove
that as a human being youre miswired get less time than some kid
caught with a sheet of LSD(which essentialy proves you like to
escape)??
-the dutch also recognize that the worlds oldest profession,
prostitution is never ever going to go away, so it should at least be
made safer for all parties involved. prostitues are forced to have
frequent check-ups and recieve pensions. the only place that comes
close to this in the US is Nevada, but frankly it does little to make
it safer or a more finacially sound proposition for the woman.
-gay marriage...need i say more. who the hell wouldnt allow this?
aside from say some backwards ass country like the US run by a
megalomaniac.
-essentially the same levels of other freedoms guaranteed by the US
constitution(which everyone seems to think is the end all be all of
constitutions)
-more respect for human rights in every category imaginable. its far
easier to seek asylum in the Netherlands than it is in the US or even
Canada. women get more respect and aid than anywhere else.
-taxation that is effectively used for the good of the people, not the
good of corporations.
i could go on and on...id say the only way the Netherlands is
becoming totalitarian" and run be people out to steal "liberties" is
the current problem with Islamic Extremists demanding that the world
be remade to their standards. Personally, I have no problem with this
at all, considering what Muslims have demanded - essentially that
means undoing hundreds of years of social progress. Yeah, lets all go
back to the stone age! Fuck that...if you have that kind of mindset
why on earth would you ever WANT to move to a country like Holland??
Its not like it should catch them off guard, if they dont like it
they need to look somewhere else for residency.
and yes, sometimes you truly need to restrict some freedoms to save
the most important freedoms a society has. sometimes you need to
defend yourself. there really is no such thing as a pure utopian
society(just like there can never be a pure communist society by the
very nature of humanity), but at least Holland is closer than any
other country to achieving this.
and frankly if you cant see how thats a million times better than
anything america has going for it, you really need to have your head
examined.
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[144]Robin @ [145]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
It makes more sense to ban Pringles. Even though it would make no
difference to WiFi hacking, it would help in the war on obesity (and
force hackers to adopt a different diet).
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[150]Chester @ [151]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Just because someone leaves a car unlocked with the keys in the
ignition, doesnt give me the right to drive it away. Thus, just
because someone leaves a wireless connection unsecured, doesnt give
me the right to use it without asking.
That said, I really feel that there is something seriously wrong with
calling a simple antenna an illegal device.
People are scared and ignorant to a lot of technology.
If a person left their keys in an unlocked car, most reasonable people
would says serves them right" when someone stole it.
However when someone uses a cantenna to snag some free internet,
people dont blame the moron who left it unsecured, they blame the
cantenna. This reaction is not what it should be.
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[156]Asher @ [157]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Although he cannot seem to find all the syllables, GWB will
undoubtedly tag this as a turist(sic) device and make it a violation
of the patriot act to use it.
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[162]Jeff @ [163]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Wow, some very good points raised. Not trying to advertise, but you
guys should check out www.onlinedebate.net, perhaps a better forum for
your opinions, hopefully Ill see you there.
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[168]Tin Lizzy @ [169]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
and you probably, like me, thought it impossible that the Supreme
Court could ever rule that fileshare software creators are responsible
for folks using the software to pirate copyrighted material...
Its a head-scratcher to me why that logic has never applied to
guns/killing. I mean if a) people dont download files illegally,
software downloads files illegally; then b) people dont kill people,
guns kill people.
But I guess making sure greedy companies arent deprived of a single
cent is more important than people dying - silly me.
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[174]Bud @ [175]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
At least Dutch knows the difference between your" and "youre".
Id leave this pathetic country any day for a life in the Netherlands,
where there are no rednecks!
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[180]gork @ [181]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
I believe, from the Federal level, they have been illegal for
non-licensed use for quite some time. Theres a ERP level you shoul
dnot exceed. This usually means only using antennas made specifically
for your WAP. Use the ducks that come with it or the upgraded ducks.
Cantennas can raise the ERP to a level beyond what it should be for
unlicensed operation.
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[186]JK @ [187]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Spectre:
Your american pride lets you down here... saying that we have a few
thousand years headstart is rich... if my mental image of you is any
good you have european origins, and the earliest your ancestors could
have become Americans" would have been in the 1500s... 500 years ago,
not a few thousand.
You see, America started through immigrants from Europe sailing to the
USA (the pilgrim fathers), not a sudden evolutionary blip and the
creation of Alabama in a short, sharp move. Perhaps pick up a kids
textbook on American History, it might broaden your mind.
As much as i respect your right to an opinion, the fact remains that I
think its utter bollocks, as is the US government, gun laws, the Iraq
war etc etc...
Yours,
Jamie (UK)
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[192]Mike @ [193]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Arent there FCC regulations involved? I would think using any device
to extend the range of your wireless connection goes against the
current regulations. Is that type of violation the same thing as being
illegal?
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[198]Peter @ [199]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
So many things are wrong with the article, Ive already complained to
the paper. Lets count:
1. Cantennas boost signals from several miles away" - LOL. Where can
I buy those super cantennas?
2. Possession of cantennas is illegal - its scary that a police
officer sworn to uphold the law knows so little about it but that a
newspaper couldnt do the simplest fact checking and discover hes
wrong?
3. Did the high school hacker even try to hack into his schools
wireless network? Does the school even have a wireless network? Read
carefully and note the reporter is very careful NOT to say anything
about hacking into a wireless network. In fact, it sounds like it was
a just an ordinary case of a kid trying to hack into a wired network
from home. So why is he used as the boogeyman in an story thats
supposed to be about unauthorized access to wireless networks?
Absolutely terrible journalism, not even the most basic fact checking
and the convenient twisting of facts to suit the reporters premise.
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[204]Peter @ [205]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Response to #29:
Mike,
Theres no FCC issue because the cantenna only amplifies RECEIVED
signals. It doesnt boost outgoing signals and therefore, doesnt
increase or cause interference with other signals.
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[210]Peter @ [211]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
This is on the cantenna.com website in its FAQ:
Is it legal to use your Cantenna?
Yes, our Cantennas and Pigtails have been tested and comply with part
15 of the FCC rules. Make sure other wireless devices that you use
also comply. Compliance with FCC regulations is your responsibility.
Check with your Internet Service Providers to find out if they permit
sharing of their Internet connections.
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[216]Joshua @ [217]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Actually, for those old enough to remember the CB craze back in the
70s, you would already know that antennas designed to boost or alter
the FCC approved BROADCASTING capabilities of a licensed radio device
are, in fact, illegal. Have been for about 50 years.
Receiving antennas would probably require explicit laws to ban them.
Such laws have already been passed dealing with specific devices whose
only use is intercepting otherwise secure microwave transmissions.
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[222]KD5QLN @ [223]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
YES cantennas are LEGAL in all 50 states under part 15 FCC rules, you
may not excede 4w EIRP (Effective Isotropic Radiated Power) from any
directional antenna with gain of more than 6dB, otherwise its 1w
believe me. If some dumb cop in cali tells you otherwise, pull out
your copy of the part15 pdf and tell him to read it and weap. I on the
otherhand, pullout my FCC license and tell them that I have a Federal
Prvledge to operate any RF device how I see fit within my band and
power limitaions (1 Kilowatt of power :P ). If you areinterestedin in
amateur radio or HAM" radio visit www.arrl.org, its easy to get a
license.
Mike Down KD5QLN
Tech Class Amateur Radio Operator
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[228]Pat @ [229]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
So do I now have to call my local police department and tell them to
come take my now empty pringles can?
Yeah I know alot of traffic cops that dont know the law to how it is
writen but rather how they think it is. So they say stuff along the
lines of. If your in front of a school when you see children (even
tho the law dosnt say what a children is) you must slow down to 25.
Which is wrong. Because if there is no school zone sign posted it is
legally not a school zone and on top of that the school zone is only
300ft from either side of the cross walk where the school zone sign
is posted and if its only on one side then that means one side of the
road dosnt have to slow down to 25. (Thats how it works in WA at
least)
But most people - including cops - think its anywhere infront/near a
school is a school zone and that you must slow down to 25 even if
there is no school zone sign.
So Im going to guess that this guy merely thinks that its illegal to
posses them but it truly isnt.
Roughly two out of every three wireless signals are left unencrypted"
Roughly two out of five drivers dont ware their seatbelts...Does that
mean the rest of us get punished? I thought they got a ticket for it.
(By the way the seat belt law is unconstitutional) Not us. I guess we
could just rip all the seat belts out of our cars now right?
About five out of five people speed. (Even if you dont mean to. It
just happens some times. *sips on beer*) Does that mean we are going
to make gas pedals illegal?
What about just a normal wireless router huh? I may not be able to
take controll of your wi-fi connection from as far away but I can
still do it. Does that mean they are illegal to? So does that mean I
have to take my wireless router down. So now I cant have a home
network?
I think its really more like poppy seeds. Its legal to buy poppy seeds
but its illegal to intend to and to grow them. (Just for those who
dont know. Poppy seeds are used to make opium. Try buying some and
making some tea out of them...its good...) So what Im guessing it
really is is that its illegal to gain access to someones wi-fi
connection without their consent (We all know thats
illegal...well..maybe most of us) but your form of router isnt
illegal...
(Man I feel like I babbled alot there.)
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[234]OddManOut @ [235]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
1. Cantennas boost signals from "several miles away" - LOL. Where can
I buy those super cantennas?
It doesnt boost outgoing signals and therefore, doesnt increase or
cause interference with other signals.
True, and true. For anyone still unclear on how a cantenna works, try
putting your cupped hand behind your ear. Notice you can hear sounds
(emanating from in front of you anyway) more clearly and with
seemingly greater volume ? No, the signal has NOT been boosted, you
are simply receiving more of it. The cantenna simply does the same
thing with radio waves...
So I guess putting your cupped hand behind your ear either is or
should be illegal too ? After all, you could do that and illicitly
eavesdrop on people shouting at the top of their lungs (which is
pretty much what running unsecured wireless is akin to...)...
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[240]extra88 @ [241]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Damn our Founding Fathers for not including an amendment covering
cantennas in the Bill of Rights!
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[246]Rob Meyer @ [247]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Possessing a cantenna is likely not illegal but using one might
be...the FCC might have something to say about you modifying licensed
equipment with non-standard antennas when its not designed for such.
That would be my guess as to how hes tagging them as illegal. This
spectrum space is pretty lawless, but if youve modified your device
to project its signal further, youll be on the losing side of the
law, unless your just passively receiving signals. But if youre
transmitting too, then they can likely use that regulation to come
down on you.
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[252]Asher @ [253]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Amen Brother!
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[258]Paul @ [259]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
#38 The US does like to collect asshats like that, but not all of us
prefer to wear our asses on our heads :)
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[264]Gromitron @ [265]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Im waiting for a national police sponsored Pringle-cans-for-shoes
trade policy to safely get the Pringle cans out of the hands of todays
misguided youth.
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[270]Lord Humungus @ [271]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Well I agree with the Dutchmans post, I will not have him disparage
my 1400 thread-count sheets (made in China of course)! Granted, they
cost me my first born (hell have a much better life with the nice
infertile couple with more money than most of the third world
combined, and besides, initial versions always have issues), but
theyre soooooo damned soft! Youll have to pry them out of my cold,
dead materialistic hands... ;)
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[276]Gromitron @ [277]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Im waiting for a national police sponsored Pringle-cans-for-shoes
trade policy to safely get the Pringle cans out of the hands of todays
misguided youth.
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[282]Peter @ [283]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
If you check out the discussion thread about this on
www.broadbandreports.com, someone got a reply from the police officer.
He basically says he was misquoted, that he was talking about
possession being illegal for someone who has been convicted of
hacking. That makes much more sense but is another example of what a
piss poor job the reporter did. Somehow, possession of cantennas by
persons convicted of hacking is illegal got turned into "Possession
is illegal. Unbelievable.
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[288]Aaron Walker @ [289]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
Well, I found an email address for the officer who was quoted and
emailed him. Ill post any insights here.
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[294]stingraze @ [295]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
... why illegal...
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[300]Danomite @ [301]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
holy anti-american bias, batman!
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[306]Mike @ [307]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
all fun aside... our govt has set a precedent in the last ten years
or so of acting as though its first function is to regulate the
society that empowers it. the general public does not give enough of a
damn to stop this from happening. the population that has the power to
elect the govt has allowed the govt to strip that power from its
people. unless ppl say stop, this trend will only become more invasive
as technology spreads and develops.
----------------------------------------------
weve been brain washed so much to the point that if anyone disagrees
with the way things are going on the national level theyre
immediately discredited and branded unpatriotic, terrorist-supporting
idiots.
the media along with the education system both do a great job at
keeping the masses at bay. should anyone pick up a book or a foreign
newspaper theyre looked down upon as liberal misfits". knowledge and
an open, global view of the world are a thing of the past. what a
great society weve become. the very essence of our nation is being
washed away by ignorance and close-minded individuals.
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[312]freakshow @ [313]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
lol...about the officer sayin that...hes tellin the truth. my friend
was the guy caught hacking, and he always had a cantenna and a laptop
with him in school.
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[318]Skippy @ [319]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
your friend might have gotten caught hacking but that has nothing to
do with the cantenna. he illegally accessed parts of a system he was
not authorized to access,which is why he is under arrest. the cantenna
being illegal is bullshit which i dont believe. i have spent the last
2 hours looking for this law and it would seem that directional
antennas would be outlawed too.
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[324]demosthenese @ [325]Dec 19th 2005 1:02AM
wow... that is retarded... stupid liberals trying to enforce more and
more restrictions on us just to protect" us.
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